1) The self deprecating attitude of artists who feel that they don’t measure up to others who are being successful.
This has nothing to do with who you are or your art. This is about WHAT you do. The people who are successful work their asses of trying to be so. There is only a rare few that ever become successful through just sheer skill. Everyone practices their art, walks the pavement to promote them self. Experience is your teacher, learn from it and grow but never blame it on who you are.
2) The belief that you need to post more then one comic a day.
I don’t care if you want to throw an entire series up in one day, it’s wrong to believe you need to throw your content up all at one time. There is a reason for a buffer, it’s to have the strips available to our readership in a periodic schedule. If some emergency happens that you will not be able to write or draw for awhile you’re fans will still be there because you have the strips queued up and ready for them. If you feel you need to provide more content during the day, I have seen some great sites like myextralife.com provide extra blog posts during the day and it has worked quite well for them.
3) Certain CMS sucks because you don’t understand it.
They’re ALL good and have their uses. Some have more features, some are geared to the people who want to have something specific. What you should look at is who is going to support you with that CMS and how are they in reach. Belittling another CMS because of how it behaves does not solve anything. Saying it sucks because you do not know CSS to design your site makes you look foolish. All the CMS’s for comic’s utilize CSS to design their sites. Whichever you choose find out if the developer of it or community can support you if something goes wrong, if all is good and you like it, use it. Saying it sucks or linking other people who say it sucks or fabricate made up data proving one CMS is better then the other is like comparing penis sizes, figuratively of course.
4) Most authors are too damn nice.
There are quite a few of you out there that feel terrible if they ask for help on something. Knock it off, stop feeling that way. The thing about the community is that everyone genuinely wants to help and are waiting to be asked. Ask.
5) Inbred Readership
Readership and advertising your work is becoming dependent on other comics within the community. Advertise and get your name known by the genre of your work not on other peoples sites within the community. This isn’t to say that you shouldn’t do it all together just don’t think all of reader’s should come from inside the community. Get out there, the internet is huge, advertise on other places!
6) Inbred Facts
For years people are quoting books from authors that are in either the print comics or are famous for their work because they’re famous. These are passed down from one author to the next and some speak of it as gospel. Times change. Society changes with the time. Take it as a grain of salt and do the research yourself and work it out yourself for what would be the best way to get your work to the masses to read. There are so many infinite possibilities of success out there, read but do not believe for one second that the solution to you being successful is that one persons method.
7) The belief that you are doing what is right in your story and characters.
There has been a few conversations that I have had that authors stand behind their story, writing and characters with no fail. This is wrong simply because how are you going to grow or your characters, even cast if you are compliant with what they are all about. The real world works like this, it’s all about the money. If an editor finds something that will sell; they will put their money into it and make it sell, if they don’t they’re going to give you a rejection letter. Never believe your characters are solid, you grow; so should they. Even if they do sell they still need to grow as characters to sell more.
8] Using the Lesbian and Gay community to increase your readership.
I have read several comics that have jumped onto this bandwagon, some of them I simply adored and now hate. You had readers, the story was fantastic and now it’s like you don’t remember who read your comic to begin with. The new fans are overwhelming the old. Sure you found a way to get more success, but did you have to leave your old ones behind too? Sure, stand behind the growth card from #7, no.. not in this case. The reason I read a comic like that to begin with was the love story, that turned into a sort of typical feminists view of how men behave after having sex. Bull fucking shit. You know why chick flicks sell that have pretty much the same structure over and over, it’s because the dreamers out there who want the life of the people in the story want a happy ending, just like your characters were about to.
Simply put, ‘using’ the LBG community to grab a niche of readers from is not an excuse to abandon your current set of readers, there’s nothing wrong with ‘including’ the LBG community; but to completely abandon your reader base for it? SHAME ON YOU.
9) The stymga behind furry animal characters.
There is NOTHING wrong with having furry animal creatures, look at Disney’s Robin Hood and more. The problem is with a few individuals who have claimed to use it as a sexual perversion. Well get it straight, for everything in the world there is a perversion for it, someone out there is masturbating to the little drummer boy Christmas song right now. For every sexual based furry comic out there there are an abundant more non-furry based sexual comics out there, hell i’ve even seen one (unfortunately) based on alien poop creatures having some weird sort of sexual escapades. Knock it off, furry anthropomorphic animals are not the deviants, unless they are drawn that way. Claiming as a whole that creating your work like that is wrong is bad, mmmkay.
10) Building on your readers compassion, for income.
Using your situation to garnish funds from your readers whether it be sickness or financial loss is not appropriate. In quite a few cases it is true and that is definitely alright to ask for help. However, when you are not in that situation and ask for it, shame on you! Provide other methods for earning an income with your work, don’t lie for it and prey on your readers compassion.
11) Telling your readership that the comic will not continue unless they donate.
This irks me something bad. Telling readers that it’s their responsibility to pay for your work to be up. No, it’s YOUR responsibility to provide content for those readers to donate, not to keep it going but for the work you have provided already. If you can’t afford to keep your comic going then find a way to do it on your own and not rely on your readers to foot the bill.
12) I don’t blog so I’m not going to.
Up to you. Me? I dislike not getting to know the author. This was about what I don’t like in the webcomic community right?
13) Posting things before midnight, like a couple hours before midnight.
In today’s technological age it is more then likely that you have an RSS/ATOM feed. A few people utilize this to find out if you have updated. If you’re posting before the new day, people who check their feeds will find that it was a new comic for the previous day or not show that it was a new comic at all because they missed that two hour opportunity to find out if there was a new comic. Don’t just do it for yourself, do it for the feeds! Post after 12:01am, 23 hours 59 minutes of people being able to check their feeds for new content. (if their feed reader behaves that way).
14) Semi successful or successful authors making complete asses of them self.
You may not realize it but you are looked at as a leader in the community by thousands who have not achieved what you have accomplished, .. yet. You’re a role model, stop acting like a prick already. You want everyone to act like you? I don’t. Imagine the friends you could have and the people who could be in your life if you were not such a social blemish.
15) Saying you want your site designed like PVPOnline.
I wont even listen to what you have to say anymore. Get something that fits with your comic, his fits with his, find your own.
16) Thinking that I speak for everyone.
I don’t, this is posted under blog not articles, it’s how I feel and what I am thinking, nothing else nothing more.
– Phil
.. What do you not like in the community?
Discussion (21) ¬
I think #6 is the biggest key on this list. The thing that goes along with that is this crazy hero worship of certain artists who are doing well, and the belief that everything they say is correct and perfect. It drives me nuts.
What worked for them may or may not work for you.
Right on, man. This is a nice perspective on how the Webcomic Community behaves. In fact, I think this is more of a ‘how to improve the webcomic community,’ rather than what’s wrong with it.
Great thoughts, albeit NSFW. Still appreciate the candor and honesty. Number 7 stands out in particular.
I suppose what I don’t really like in the community is that puns and other old school comic approaches seems to be frowned upon by the hipster doofuses. I can’t change my influences, can’t change what I find funny – so I gotta plow ahead.
Excellent post.
I like the whole list. I especially love #9.
BIG THUMBS UP!!!
Great list in total there Phil as always you say what people won’t / don’t. 🙂
There are no good comics to read except the ten that I’ve always read:
Everyone has a genre that they like and of course they won’t like everything … But, at least expand your mind out of the comfort zone that you are used to. How knows you just might like it…
Or is that just something for another topic?
#3 – All I can do is grin for that one; right freaking on!
#9 – I always thought “furry” WAS the general term for erotic-based anthropomorphic animal characters. Didn’t know folks were using it for all animal comics. For me at least, when I say I don’t like furry strips, I mean I don’t like comics with cheetah woman possessing ample bosoms, minimal clothing, and an unconstrained desire to get in on with anything that breathes.
#13 – Yes, yes, and yes.
To add another one to the list…
Leaving the strip on an inexplicable, indefinite hiatus… whoops, wait a minute. 🙁
#3 rocks.
I hate the snobbishness that occurs when people look down upon anything that has hit mainstream success as well–be it jealousy or a contrarian opinion for attention. Every time I see a webcomic author talk about how bad they think Family Guy (I use this one as an example because it comes up a lot.) I can just hear readers being alienated. It’s ok for someone to like both you and Family Guy. Tastes can be eclectic.
I’d just like to take issue with #9. If your cast of characters are animal creatures, you have problems–there’s no way around it. Learn how to draw and write some realistic human characters instead you sick bastard!
^ if it was anyone else Tony … I wouldn’t have caught the sarcasm 😉
Or you can do what I did, just make your human character very furry! *smirk*
#1 This is something I don’t understand. I have learned a lot from people of all skill levels through watching the areas they have succeeded in. We aren’t all going to reach that top 1% of success in the world of comics. so what?!? I thought the purpose behind the work was a labor of love to draw, tell a story as best you can and to enjoy it for your own satisfaction, hoping others enjoy it too! The day I find myself doing this for YOU and not ME, will be the day I stop. This is a selfish endeavor on my part, I’m in it to entertain myself with the secondary hope people who follow along like it as well!
#5 is something I am guilty of, inbred readership. I have relied heavily on the interaction between myself and other tooners to build my readership over time. However, those inbred relationships have also helped me to improve my comic and learn from my peers. However, if this is the only source of “advertising” someone is doing, then in the long run, yes, it’s limited.
#6 is something I do NOT do! I take information from everyone at every skill level if I see it is working for them. I think anyone who has tested a method that shows progress has something to teach all of us. My sense has been, once you get into that top 1% of success, you end up in a bubble and don’t really see the evolution of the medium going on just below you!
#10 Since I don’t consider making money and important aspect of doing my comic (at this stage in development at least), I can’t fathom using it to get people to support my personal financial issues through private personal setbacks. That is a HUGE turnoff! I’d stop reading the moment I saw that going on!
#12 I am so GUILTY of this one. I don’t enjoy blogging, although I am a twitter whore. I have the gift of inane gab, but can’t seem to bring that to the blogging aspect. The “what am I reading, or what am I listening to, or what am I watching” aspect of blogging to me, is about as exciting as plucking ass hairs! I’m still searching for something “blog” wise that ties into the theme of my comic and web page, but haven’t found it yet!
#13 I want my site to reflect my personality, not others. It’s not the website itself that makes the comic successful, it’s the content provided. If you don’t bring the personality of your comic to the website, then you aren’t offering an authentic atmosphere, IMHO!
..It’s like #12 was written with you in mind… or something.
I’m very simple minded, I have two things on my mind and one of them is ice cream! We should all know what the other one is. You can only blog about sex and ice cream so much before it gets really-REALLY redundant! o.O … I guess maybe, if I stopped twittering I could channel my thoughts into blog inanity, but again… empty noise does WHAT again?!?
Thats why after May 19th I’m taking some time away from updating to refocus my energies on how to best utilize my comic & blog website for the intended purpose of entertaining readers and myself. Cause if I spend time blogging about things that seem like white noise and space filler, I’m gonna be as bored as them.
Call me frustrated! o.O
Some thoughts…
1) I get really tired of people who do nothing but get down on themselves. I mean, is being emo still popular?
3) I get cranky with the subset of internet geeks that make fun of you if code your site uses wasn’t created from scratch. I don’t have the time to sit there and code a website. I’d rather work on the comic or music.
4) On the flip side, there are some authors that seem to enjoy being an ass to everyone they come across. I believe in having an ‘online persona’. I am who I am in real life and on the internet. The whole act of hiding behind the screen bugs me.
5) Never believe that your comic is limited by its genre. You never know where you can scoop up your next fan.
7) You can learn something from anyone. Listen to someone’s ideas since it just might inspire one of your very own.
8) This one is kind of pet peeve of mine. Now, I don’t discriminate at all. I have plenty of friends from all different walks of life. As long as how you live doesn’t harm someone else, I have no problem with what you do. I am turned off by people who take one aspect of their life and revolve their entire world around it while milking it for all it’s worth. I’m not saying that doing this sort of think with ones come is wrong but it really does make me run the other way. I do not limit this feeling to one single social group, race or sexual preference.
9) This kind of encompassed by my feelings about all things cartooonish in general. There are way too many people that firmly believe that if it’s animated or looks like a cartoon, it should be for kids. So, if something animated or cartoon like has any sort of adult theme, it’s porn. The same goes for any sort of anthropomorphic character. I think some people forget that Bugs Bunny ever existed.
10) I really dislike asking people for money. Hell, I sometimes am a little weirded out when someone buys one of my comics or CDs. Actually, it’s more of a humble feeling.
11) I don’t fall for the ‘I’m going to take my ball and go home!’ act. Go ahead and take your ball and leave. I’ll buy my own.
12) Sharing is caring. I like to share. I like to over-share. 🙂
13) This one doesn’t really both me but that might be because I’m at fault for this one quite often. 🙂
14) Gee! I’m famous! So, if I go out into the street and take a dump on the sidewalk, people will still like me! They might even want a piece of my excrement! …Yeah, right.
15) This also goes with other comic authors who sit and try to compare you to another comic or tell you that you should be more like such and such a comic. It’s my comic and I’ll do what I damn well please but I’ll still listen to any ideas you might have since I might like one of them.
Great topic and definitely a nice list of pitfalls to avoid, although we all tend to slip into at least one of them by mistake. How we rise above is when we realize we have fallen into one or more of them and change our habits. If we don’t grow, if we don’t learn from our mistakes, if we don’t find new ways of reaching out to the huge opportunity that is the internet, no wonder so many webcomics fail after a certain time period.
Sure, most of us, if not all, are lured into the thought of making loads of money doing webcomics…at first. Then reality hits…this is supposed to be a passion first, if you are not passionate about what you are doing, stop right now and get off the bus. This applies to anything in life…a job, a hobby, a mate. How many of us don’t realize it is work, you are the owner of a property, of a business, you and you alone are the one responsible for making it grow or making it wither and die.
For those artists and authors out there who think the world should revolve around them and their work, wake up! And if you do happen to get lucky, realize that you were once just starting out, figuring what to do, how to make it work. Be a mentor to some of those people, it may actually be the spark that helps launch another success story. For those artists and authors who think they are superior and act all smug and a real arse to the public who meet you, get over yourself. Behind the facade is an insecure individual and by being a bully only makes for resentment. People don’t expect you to be this way in real life…sure, you could be an arse online, there are many folks who make a living this way on the radio…they have an online persona and then they have a public persona that is totally different, which actually shocks their fans when they meet them in public. By being an arse, it reflects on the web comic community as a whole and fans tend to think we are unreachable…which is completely wrong! We need to be accessible, to our fans, to our community, to our associates…
Please, my fellow web comic artists and authors, forge your own path, become a guerrilla artist, visit your local colleges and post flyers on their bulletin boards, visit local comic book stores and get to know people, the owners, the readers, hit the pavement, be accessible, press the flesh and pound the pavement. Never be satisfied and never grow stagnant. Don’t be afraid to try new things within reason. Never stop drawing, learning, but above all, make your own style, don’t copy others, learn from them, but take what you learn and mold it into your own way of doing it…
Holy crap, what the frak am I going on and on about in a reply? I’m wasting good stuff here that I could be putting in a blog entry! *forehead slap!*…lol
Great discussion, I firmly believe in #9, I was drawing animal characters long before I new what “furries” were, I was inspired by R. Crumb, Ren Stimpy Maakies and stuff like that, not fetishistic, masturbatory, anime/ pseudo Disney bestiality monkey junk. You can still make “adult” or R- rated animal character cartoons but “furries” just have that creepy essence to them I can’t help but despise, but hey that’s just me! People can get off on whatever they like as long as they are not creating suffering for any one, but yeah, not all funny animal cartoons are “furry” cartoons.
Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers!
There is no denying from the fact that some webcomics are far beyond the level of tolerance but evaluating all comic in one scale is also not accepted. Reality is more dramatic than fiction and webcomics are just representations. You should not generalize 🙂
The whole point was to generalize. Whether you can accept it means really nothing to me since this blog post was my point of view.
I realize you were just trying to give your opinion as well; and that is always welcome – but I disagree with your assessment.
Absolutely 🙂 After all I have unique thoughts (just like you)
#peace